Britain: A Violent Society Out of Control

BRITAIN: A VIOLENT SOCIETY OUT OF CONTROL – There is not a day goes by where I do not read of another violent crime in the United Kingdom and it beggars to ask the question; “Are we safe at all?”

Some quarters as voicing their concerns that since the abolition of Corporal and Capital Punishment in the United Kingdom, it has become an increasingly violent and unruly place to live.

Corporal Punishment was abolished by law in State Schools in 1986, while it took a further 3 years to abolish it in Private Schools which occurred in 1988.

When it comes to Capital Punishment, this was abolished in 1965 for all crimes except that of Treason and Piracy and in 1998 were also abolished by legislation.

I read today of two disturbing cases of violent crime, one involving Road Rage, where a resident simply asked the driver to slow down, resulting the driver beating the man unconscious and leaving him fighting for his life in a hospital bed.  The other was the case of two old age pensioners who were severely beaten until they gave up their PIN number on their credit cards.

Britian the most violent country in Europe - Table Showing the UK as No.1 most violent country in Europe.

A recent article explored the reasons why our criminals are not sent to prison, with the simple truth that our prisons are heavily over populated and this, combined with the Human Rights Act 1998, almost prevents imprisonment by our Judges – contrary to belief the system is not the fault of our Judges but the fault of a growing liberal society that feels even the most heinous of crimes should be approached with caring and understanding that the perpetrators are not always at fault but that the fault lies within the very society failing them.

Every now and then the subject of reinstating Corporal and Capital Punishment raises its head and each time the Liberals argue the case against such a reintroduction, its argument being that ‘An eye for an eye’ should not be the way forward for a civilized society.  However, if we live in such a civilized society, why does the United Kingdom have one of the highest violent crime rates in the so-called civilized world?

With the increasing number of foreign immigrants, and together with all their different cultures and religions, the UK has become an extremely divided society.  We can clearly see this division and its growth with the increasing number of cases of abuse – it is clear that our respect for each other is diminishing with each and every day and the only thing that matters is our own selfish needs.

Britain: A Violent Society Out of Control - Considering the daily increases in the number of violent crimes, in the UK, is it now time to reintroduce Corporal and Capital Punishment?The last statement may seem a little harsh, regarding being selfish, however there is a growing opinion that the British Public would like to see an end to immigration and see the removal of most immigrants, many of which are directly responsible for the increasing violent crimes being reported.

Would it be so bad if the United Kingdom once again reintroduced both Corporal and Capital Punishment?

When our children are fully aware that no matter how unsociable their behaviour, either within the classroom, at home or on their streets, is that they cannot be punished, under the law, what reasons do they have for curbing their unruly behavior?  Has the liberal approached worked and are we, as a society, better off with the abolition of being able to chastise our children?  In my view it would appear not.

I often look at Singapore and their system of justice.  Singapore has both Corporal and Capital Punishment and it is one of the safest countries in the world.  I once spoke to a Taxi Driver on my way to the airport and I asked him what life was like for a citizen and how safe it was.  He told me that he would happily let his 14 year old daughter walk through the park at 3am as it was highly unlikely anyone would touch her.  He went on to say that she would probably be approached but only with the intention of asking her if she was OK and in need of assistance.

Surely a society, such as Singapore, with its inflexible laws, when it comes to crime and how they interact socially, could be a model that is employed in our own legal system.

I have heard the argument that Singapore’s judicial system is barbaric, but this only comes from the liberals who sincerely believe that all criminals and all unruly behaviour is just a way for them to cry out for help, however in my view, and in many others, it is believed that crime and unruly behaviour is born out of the realization that the law will do little, if anything, to punish them.

Is it time to bring back both Corporal and Capital Punishment?  It would appear that since their abolition things have certainly not improved and in fact society is degrading on a daily basis.

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  • Andy

    You’re an idiot if you believe capital punishment would reduce violent crime.

    • meebal

      And your solution? While Meebal is more than happy to support your views it’s also helpful if you can explain why. If you have an alternative we, and our readers, would be most interested.

      • Andy

        My solution would be to actually keep violent offenders in jail, like we at present, do not do. You clearly dislike ‘Liberals’ (hint – there’s so such thing, just radicals with limp wrists) and somehow believe they’re the root of these problems. Did you notice that the conservatives have done NOTHING to stop unfettered immigration into the UK? NOTHING to curb bank bailouts. NOTHING to tackle crime?

        You probably think something like legalising drugs would be bad because it’s a ‘Liberal’ policy idea in the states, right?

        Giving the state power over who lives and dies is the most INSANE thing anyone would ever think to do.

        • meebal

          Andy you have some good points, and we like the debate. I’m not totally against the ‘liberal’ way but its been taken to the extreme.

          As for the Prisons… considering the facts in the article where would you like to house them all? Over-crowded as it is, which is why the judicial system is reluctant to house anymore in the ‘almost’ 5 star establishments.

          You are right, the Conservatives have done nothing, and I’m sure if you look around meebal you’ll see we don’t hold anything back.

          Legalising drugs… actually it wouldn’t been a bad idea, in certain areas, or where it could be controlled.

          When it comes to the Death Penalty I feel a great injustice is done to the public. Try telling the families that lose children to pedophile murderers, such as Hindley and Brady – both missed the death penalty by a mere couple of weeks and the public at the time were crying out for the reinstatement.

          One of the reasons Cameron’s won’t give us a Referendum on the Death Penalty is because A) the liberals will veto such a move and; B) the people would vote for it.

          A similar situation is with the EU, which is why Cameron, as a supporter, will not hold a referendum, because he already knows the outcome.

          With the state of crime in the UK what are our children growing up in? It is clearly a place that is not safe and we simply do not have the space to put them all. Look at the figures above 1.2m crimes – would it be possible to imprison them all? Look at he statistics for repeat offenders and still they are imprisoned, because their is no room.

          Yes, drastic times call for drastic measures and I’m sure if it would put to the vote the British Public would ask for the reinstating of both Corporal and Capital Punishment.

          Singapore, has both, and I can tell you from direct experience that it’s safe to walk the streets day or night and there is very little crime due to public acknowledgment to the penalties – how nice would it be to be able to let our kids walk the streets without fear.

          Finally, when you look at the state of the UK the only ones that are really imprisoned is the hard working, honest taxpayer, because most are too frightened to leave their homes.

          • Andy

            The fact is the death penalty does NOT deter violent crime, anecdotal evidence like ‘singapore is safer because they have it’ is not evidence.

            If you’ve ever read about the situation in America you see violent crime is actually higher in states with capital punishment.

            While we may believe monsters who kill children or other evil killers should die, doesn’t mean it’s alright that we kill them nor give that power to the state.
            The idea that government has the right to take someones life away is INSANE, think how utterly crazy you’d be to want that.
            Revenge is NOT justice.

            Remember Blacktone’s quote, “It’s better 10 guilty men go free than one innocent languishes in prison” to paraphrase.
            Except people put to death are dead, forever, they can never be let free later when the real criminal is caught.

            Mark my words, one day we will see political dissidents who’re against the EU superstate and the ever encroaching world super state put to death as insurrectionists.
            If the death penalty is brought back it will not be to deal with the people the government A. lets into the country and B. refuses to put in jail.
            It will be to give the state even more power.

            It’s quite popular in communist/socialist hell holes like china though.

          • meebal

            America and China are two totally different kettles of fish… don’t get me started on China!, I’ll be here all day lol.

            I think we’ll have to agree to disagree, but that’s the way with most issues we are facing in the UK.

            Someone once came up with the idea of an Island. Drop the criminals there and let them get on with it, if that’s how they want live.

            I have real fears for the way the UK is going. Come 2014 with the Right of Free Movement we are simply opening the doors wider to crime and unless open and honest debate ensues and an solution is found to curb the trend of violence and crime in the UK then it can only get worse.

            I find it heartbreaking to see the UK listed as the Crime Capital of the EU but considering the ECHR and our own Human Rights Act 1998, and the debacle of the Borders Act 2007, it is not surprising it has come to this.

            We know that it is not feasible to imprison everyone who commits a crime and therefore if there is not an alternative then the only solution is to let them walk and commit more crime for which they know they will not be punished for.

            Andy, would you oppose caning or as we often refer to it ‘birching’?

          • Andy

            Would I oppose caning :- No, smack some manners into the cheeky little beggars.

            Are you going to address the bevy of facts (that I think you know are facts) about capital punishment, or can you just not wait to see public executions in mainland Britain?

            I don’t really want to go back to the dark ages, neither should you.

            You’d have to be as gullible as the people who believed Iraq had WMD’s to support giving that kind of power to the state.

            Are you opposed to the monarchy, or as I often refer to it ‘the germanic usurping tyrants who live fat off our taxes’?

          • meebal

            I do believe in the death penalty, but for only for the most heinous of crimes. Making them public is not necessary. I’m not quite should it would throw us back in the ‘dark ages’ but I am sure if a referendum was given the people would vote its reinstatement – and for me at least is how decisions should be made, through democratic referendums.

            Again, take a look around Meebal and you will find that we do not favour any particular party, simply because they are just as bad for each other. No, I don’t believe there were WMD’s in Iraq and it’s obvious why Bush and Blair instigated the war – Oil and a strategic presence in the Middle East.

            I am a Royalist. I believe in the Monarchy as an institution that gives us identity and of course the Queen’s tireless efforts to promote Great Britain. There are none I know of that work as hard as Her Majesty.

            Andy, you obviously have strong views, on a plethora of subjects. Have you ever thought about writing an article or two on areas that either please or irk you? You would be welcome to submit any article and voice you’re opinion. Meebal was set up to promote the Freedom of Expression and Free Speech – we feel you have right to be heard, regardless of your views.

    • Observer

      From a Singaporean historical perspective.


      From a response to a Parlimentary Question.

      “The mandatory death penalty strengthens this
      deterrent message. The incidence of kidnapping and firearms offences
      fell sharply after the mandatory death penalty was introduced for these
      crimes. From 38 kidnapping offences in 1959, the number of offences fell
      significantly after the death penalty was introduced for kidnapping in
      1961 to just one case, and has remained low since then. For firearms
      offences, the number fell from 174 in 1973 to 97 in 1975 after the
      introduction of the death penalty in 1973. This has since dropped
      steadily and there have been no firearms offences since 2007.”

      Mr Teo Chee Hean, Deputy Prime Minister For Home Affairs on the Misuse of Drugs(Amendment) Bill


      So historically, when the death penalty was first implemented, there was a 97% drop in kidnapping cases (victims tend to be killed to prevent identification of criminals), firearms crime dropped by 55% and later bottomed out at 100%

      Now tell me again how I’m an idiot for believing capital punishment reduces violent crime?

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  • Donna Wozny

    You bring up some very good points. I agree that the criminal system is far too lenient which has led to inceased incidents and career criminals. Acts of crime are the criminal crying out, but they are asking to be restrained and punished. Just like an unruly child, they are in dire need of boundaries and punishment. Bringing back corporal and capital punishment would help deter first time offenders.